{"id":241,"date":"2009-09-18T12:00:43","date_gmt":"2009-09-18T17:00:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.pastorfrog.com\/?p=241"},"modified":"2009-09-19T23:05:01","modified_gmt":"2009-09-20T04:05:01","slug":"old-new","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.pastorfrog.com\/?p=241","title":{"rendered":"Old &#038; New"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Who likes science?\u00a0 Hey, me too!<\/p>\n<p>So I thought it might be fun to post a science question.\u00a0 And this one has to do with the Young Earth vs. Old Earth debate.\u00a0 So I guess we should start off at the beginning\u2026get it?<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, the Big Bang Theory says that nothing exploded and created the universe.\u00a0 It started off as a bunch of gas that squished together and made stars, which in turn made dust, which made planets\u2014including Earth.\u00a0 And all this took a looooooooooooooooong time\u2014gazillions of years.<\/p>\n<p>Once the Earth had been made by the stars\u2019 dust, our planet created life\u2014I\u2019m not sure who owns that theory.\u00a0 But then Darwinian Evolution takes over and says that whatever life the dirt and water created eventually turned into everything we have today.\u00a0 For example tomatoes made tomato clownfish.\u00a0 The clownfish turned into bullfrogs, which turned into Tyrannosaurus Rex, which turned into a turkey, and then a cute little puppy dog, which turned into a dancing monkey (without a hat, because they didnt have hat shops gazillions of years ago), which turned into you!\u00a0 I might not have the order right.\u00a0 They like to change it up every once in awhile, but you get the point.\u00a0 And again this took so many years that even Joe Biden can hardly remember what came first.\u00a0 So that\u2019s one idea.<\/p>\n<p>Then you\u2019ve got what the Bible says.\u00a0 The Bible says God made all that stuff in less than a week.\u00a0 He started off making light, and then the sky, and then land.\u00a0 And he planted trees and flowers and bushes and grass and all the other plants.\u00a0 After the Earth was created and covered with plants, it says, God then made the Sun and the Moon and all the stars.\u00a0 Then the Bible says God made the fish and all the birds.\u00a0 And after the fishes and the birdies, God made all the land animals\u2014from little creepy crawlies to the big ol\u2019 brontosaurus.\u00a0 Finally God topped it all off with people.\u00a0 The Bible says that God took some dirt, shaped it into a man, and breathed into its nostrils changing the dirt into a real, live man named Adam.\u00a0 Then he did a little surgery and made Eve out of one of Adam\u2019s ribs&#8230;a spare rib.\u00a0 And the first time Adam saw Eve he said &#8220;Woah&#8230;Man!&#8221;, which is where the title came from.\u00a0 And all the people who have ever lived are descendants of Adam and Eve.\u00a0 So that\u2019s another idea.<\/p>\n<p>Now lots of people have tried to put these two ideas together somehow.\u00a0 They try to stretch out the days in the Bible and say a day is like a thousand years, so it really took thousands or millions or billions of years to create.\u00a0 But you probably noticed that the order is all messed up too.\u00a0 One idea says stars turned into planets.\u00a0 The other idea says the planet was finished before any stars were made.\u00a0 One idea says dinosaurs turned into birds.\u00a0 The other says all the birds were created before any land animals.\u00a0 Plus it would be kind of difficult for plants to go millions of years without sunlight.\u00a0 One idea says that things have been dying for millions and millions of years, which led to Darwinian Evolution, which eventually made people.\u00a0 The other idea says nothing died before everything was created, and everything was really great and nothing even got sick until the 2 people broke God\u2019s rules and then everything started dying.\u00a0 So you can see that these two ideas just don\u2019t play together very well.<\/p>\n<p>And there are lots of scientists who argue for both sides.\u00a0 They both look at the evidence we have today and try to figure out which story is best supported by it.\u00a0 Of course it seems to me that the reason they argue so much about the different sides is because the truth determines who\u2019s really in charge.\u00a0 If the stars made the planets and the planet made us, then we can worship the planet.\u00a0 But the Earth doesn\u2019t really care about how people live their lives.\u00a0 If people want to sleep with whoever or whatever, or if people want to lie, cheat, and steal, or kill each other off, or whatever, the Earth isn\u2019t going to complain about it.\u00a0 I mean aside from a few earthquakes and tidal waves and volcanoes and tornadoes and hurricanes and landslides and flash floods and little things like that, the Earth is happy just to leave us alone and let us make up our own rules and be in charge of how we want to live.\u00a0 If the Bible is right though, that means God is in charge, which means we have to live by his rules.\u00a0 It sounds like something your parents might say, \u201cAs long as you live in my universe, you will live by my rules.\u201d\u00a0 But a lot of people don\u2019t want to have to follow any rules.\u00a0 So the debate rages.<\/p>\n<p>Anyway, there are plenty of different evidences you can look at and think about how the two ideas fit the evidence.\u00a0 For example the Evolution side says that all the fossils we find\u2014billions of them buried all over the planet\u2014they are from creatures and plants who died slowly over gazillions of years and got fossilized.\u00a0 The same with the oil and coal fields\u2014\u201cfossil\u201d fuels\u2026those used to be plants and critters that got sick and died and got buried and gazillions of years later they turned into oil.\u00a0 And the Evolution side says, \u201cDeath has been around as long as life, it will always be around.\u00a0 I might be the top of the food chain now, but some other thing will evolve that\u2019s even better than me someday.\u00a0 So I might as well do whatever I want while I\u2019m here.\u201d\u00a0 From another viewpoint, the Creation side says that God caused a flood.\u00a0 It says the Earth split apart like a pair of pants tearing at the seams and underground water gushed out and rains fell and the whole planet was covered with water.\u00a0 Everything died except for 1 family that was saved on a giant wooden ship with a bunch of animals.\u00a0 So billions of people and animals and even plants would have been drowned and buried in mud layers in the shifting waters and land masses.\u00a0 The land masses would have shifted as the waters gushed out from under them, so they would have pulled apart in some spots making huge trenches and they would have smashed together in other places creating ranges of mountains that followed the shape of the land masses.\u00a0 Vast amounts of organisms would be buried together and crushed under the immense pressure of water and earth.\u00a0 And the Bible says after the flood, the mountains rose up, the valleys sank down and the water was gathered into the oceans.\u00a0 So the Creation side looks at the mountains and ocean trenches and continents and billions of fossils buried in rock layers that were laid down by water all over the Earth and says, \u201cYeah that flood was a terrible thing.\u00a0 We should live our life according to God\u2019s rules, because death is awful.\u00a0 And we don\u2019t want to make God sad like the people did before the flood.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>On a side note, neither fossils or oil or coal take millions of years to make.\u00a0 There are laboratories today making oil by pressurizing organic material in half an hour.\u00a0 And I have seen modern fossilized sacks of flour, pickles, even a cowboy boot with the cowboy\u2019s leg still in it.\u00a0 All of that kind of stuff happens rather quickly.<\/p>\n<p>So\u2026my question is about Mount Everest\u2014the highest place on the world today.\u00a0 It\u2019s just a little over 29 thousand feet tall.\u00a0 That\u2019s almost 5 and a half miles above sea level.\u00a0 Big mountain!\u00a0 Quite a few people have climbed it now, but over 200 have died trying.\u00a0 In fact it\u2019s so difficult just to get yourself up and down again, that many who have died on the mountain have had to be left there because nobody has enough strength to carry the bodies down again.\u00a0 And so they stay there frozen on the mountain.<\/p>\n<p>Well, one of the first guys to make it all the way to the top and back again was Sir Edmund Hillary.\u00a0 Guess what he said he saw all around the top of Mount  Everest?\u00a0 Clams!\u00a0 By the thousands!\u00a0 Tons of petrified clams all over the highest place on the planet.\u00a0 And of course lots of other climbers have reported about them too.\u00a0 They have even brought some of the clams back and point out how they are all petrified in the closed position.<\/p>\n<p>So my question is\u2026how to you think clams got to the top of Mount Everest?\u00a0 Did they crawl up there?\u00a0 Were there thousands of clams that wanted to accomplish great things who set forth to conquer Everest?\u00a0 Did they meet the same fate as the hundreds of people who died climbing whose bodies remain amongst the clams?\u00a0 Are there thousands of other clams back in the ocean telling their friends about how they made it all the way up and back again?\u00a0 Of course you know that probably didn\u2019t happen because everybody knows that clams can\u2019t talk.<\/p>\n<p>But they got up there somehow.\u00a0 Our two ideas about the where the world came from share similar ideas.\u00a0 First of all they must have been buried\u2014all of them, at the same time.\u00a0 When clams die they open up.\u00a0 So the fact that they are all closed shows that they were all buried alive together.\u00a0 Besides, fossils aren\u2019t made out in the open.\u00a0 If something dies and is left, other animals and bugs and worms and bacteria break it down.\u00a0 The only way to make fossils is to bury them or cover them in water without predators.\u00a0 So like all the other fossils found all over the planet, these clams were buried alive in some sort of catastrophe.\u00a0 And since clams are probably not the best of climbers, both of our popular theories state that Mount Everest didn\u2019t always exist, but used to be lower and was covered with water and was lifted up to the point where it is today.\u00a0 The only real difference between the two ideas is how quickly all this happened.<\/p>\n<p>So it\u2019s Old mountain versus New mountain.\u00a0 Did the clams get covered gazillions of years ago in a relatively small accident that just killed a bunch of clams under water and then get slowly lifted up inch by inch over millions and billions of years to where they are today?\u00a0 Or were they buried under shifting mud along with billions of other creatures in a planet wide catastrophe a few thousand years ago that killed and buried almost every creature under water and mud, and then get lifted up in a matter of months or even days by the shifting continents?\u00a0 Are all the other fossils around the world mere coincidence or did they suffer the same fate as the Mount Everest clams?\u00a0 Is Mount Everest going to keep climbing so it will be twice as high in a gazillion years?\u00a0 Or is it more likely to be like all the other mountains in the world and slowly crumble and erode away?<\/p>\n<p>What do you think happened to the clams?\u00a0 AND\u2026does your answer have any implications on real life\u2014like who is in charge of the world and how should we respond to that idea?\u00a0 It\u2019s good food for thought, isn\u2019t it?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Who likes science?\u00a0 Hey, me too! 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